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Re: The Book of Enoch Exposed: (The Defense)

August 31, 2012

I’ve been receiving a lot of ignorant comments concerning the book of Enoch from a lot of well meaning folks out there.A lot of their comments are taken from an article written by the writter of jesus-is-savior.com

I am writing this article in order to answer future questions about the book, since doing so in individual basis seems to be a never ending task.

I will answer the points found in jesus-is-savior.com, but before I do, I will open my defense of Enoch with the following statements:

The book of Enoch was written about 4000 years before the birth of Christ and also predates all the books in the bible.
Before the Old Testament, people were reading the Book of Enoch.

Point # 1 The bible says that Enoch walked with God 365 years before God took him alive into heaven. So are we led to believe that such a righteous man lived on earth that long without writing something that would edify future generations?

Point # 2 The book of Enoch prophesied of the coming messiah the “Son of man” who would be the Savior of the world. Again, about 4000 years before the birth of Christ

Point # 3 –
The contents of the Book of Enoch validate the bible, before the bible was ever written. When I read this book, it just strengthened my faith in God and the bible.

Point # 4 – Now, Peter & Jude both quoted favorably from the Book of Enoch and called Enoch a prophet. That means that if the bible identifies Enoch as a prophet, then we should expect prophesies from that prophet, in the form of writings in which prophecies were recorded in.

Point # 4 – Enoch was not quoted once, but at least 2 times by different prophets. In the bible, all God’s prophets reaffirm one another. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. (Can we say that this is a coincidence that God tells us this verse twice in the bible? – Deuteronomy 19:15, & 2 Corinthians 13:1)

Point # 5 – If Enoch walked with God as a righteous man for 365 years as the bible stated, then the man would of have to had been inspired by God to  write what he wrote, even more so than those who wrote the Old testament who were not as righteous of the level of Enoch, nor lived as long as Enoch.

Having been given all these points to begin with; I also found that the opening of the book of Enoch begins with explaining that the book is intended for a future & distant generation far off.

I tend to believe, we are that generation.
That would explain the book resurfacing in the 1940’s in the dead sea scrolls, along with many other books from the bible.

Now, since the book explains the origins of demons and the fall of certain angels that fornicated with women, that also explains, witchcraft, drugs, and our technology and so called UFO and alien sightings. (The book of Enoch says that the fallen angels taught humans these things.)

We actually have an explanation for the Hindu gods, advance civilizations, and so called “aliens from other planets”.
Now, knowing this, and knowing how the churches are being controlled, should we wonder why the main stream churches deny and fight against the book of Enoch?

Every program we see on TV concerning the book of Enoch, all dismiss it & sway the audiences into not believing in the book. We see the same exact thing in the 501c3 mainstream state churches. People are being taught & conditioned to believe that the book is either fake, or heresy. This is designed to keep people away from learning the truth about fallen angels, demons, & aliens which are closely one of the same.

Now, since I have done a lot of reading & a lot of research, I recognize the teachings of the 501c3 church & I know when people are just quoting other people and passing it as facts. This is what this writer from jesus-is-savior.com has done when he echoes exactly what the 501c3 pastors teach in their state churches against Enoch.

The following are his points from his article, followed by my responses:

Enoch chapter 40:9

and the fourth, (angel) who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’

He argues: “We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men”

My response: Enoch does not say that any angel is a mediator between God & men, therefore based on this alone; you cannot say it contradicts the word of God. Enoch is saying that there are angles (set over) meaning “protecting”, “watching over”, helping”, “ministering”, those who’ll received repentance unto hope and are heirs of eternal life.

Now compare Enoch chapter 40:9 reference to Hebrews 1:14

Are they (angels) not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Angels are set over those who received repentance unto hope who will be heirs of salvation. (Enoch confirms the bible) We know that angels have ranks and leaders over them, such as Michael the archangel. It shouldn’t be difficult to believe that the leader of this type of guarding angels for the saints is called Phanuel.

He argues: ”But the bible doesn’t mention any angel named Phanuel.”

My response: The bible is clear that there are billions of angels as part of God’s creation. Why on earth should we expect the bible to name them all?

He further claims that Enoch lie when he mentioned an angel by the name of Phanuel.

My response: If Enoch wanted to lie and was inspired by Satan, he would have used a name of an angel that everyone is familiar with. Satan knows the names of the angels; why not give Enoch a name that he knew people would buy?

(This is further proof that the bible has not been written during this times)

After all, Satan used the name of Gabriel as the angel who appeared to Mohamed the Islamic prophet.  Satan knew that he could not used unfamiliar names from the scriptures in order to convince people into a new religion that resulted in Islam, so Satan took an angel’s name from the Scriptures in order to convince many into a false religion. On the other hand, Enoch is not a new religion, but a tool that validates what’s written in the bible. A lot of secular & atheist sources accuse Christians of circular reasoning because we believe only what’s in the bible. In other words, they claim that we believe the bible to be true because the bible says its truth. They claim this is ridiculous, so I say fine. How about other books outside the bible that points to the bible and validate the bible?

At this point, there’s no further argument from their part. So God has given us other sources outside the bible, in order to validate the bible.

Next point the writer of jesus-is-savior.com brings in his article:

Enoch chapter 48:1-3.

…before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of the heaven were made, His name (The name of the son of man (Jesus) was named before the Lord of Spirits.

He argues: Was the Son of Man named?  When was Jesus named in Heaven?

My response: 1 Peter 1:20 says that Jesus was foreordained before the foundation of the world.

So if Jesus was foreordained before the foundation of the world, then what’s the problem with him also being named before the foundation of the world?

I don’t see a problem with Enoch’s statement, but people who oppose Enoch’s writing will make issues of things that are easily reconcilable with Scriptures, & one needs to wonder if there’s a hidden agenda.

They continue with

Enoch chapter 69:8-12

8 on the earth from that day and for evermore. And the fourth was named Penemue: he taught the 9 children of men the bitter and the sweet, and he taught them all the secrets of their wisdom. And he instructed mankind in writing with ink and paper, and thereby many sinned from eternity to 10 eternity and until this day. For men were not created for such a purpose, to give confirmation 11 to their good faith with pen and ink. For men were created exactly like the angels, to the intent that they should continue pure and righteous, and death, which destroys everything, could not have taken hold of them, but through this their knowledge they are perishing, and through this power 12 it is consuming me. And the fifth was named Kasdeja: this is he who showed the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, and the smitings of the embryo in the womb,

He argues: What … man’s wisdom came from a demon named Penemue?  That’s crazy!  Did ink and paper cause the fall of the human race?  Whoa ..

My response: Again, misinterpreting what the text actually says. The texts says that the fallen angel Penemue, not a demon, taught them all the secrets of their (fallen angels’) wisdom, not that men’s wisdom came from them, but fallen angelic wisdom came from them.   

They continue to argue: It was Adam’s sin that brought sin into the world (Romans 5:12); not evil literature.

My response: Enoch does not mentioned at all that sin came because of these fallen angels, he is simply explaining how the fallen angels perverted further the human race by teaching them things that were ahead of their times, that alone is wicked in the eyes of God because they were intervening and mingling themselves with mankind. We can also see in chapter 69:12 which jesussaves.com conveniently left out, we can see these fallen angels were already teaching mankind how to do abortions. This adds even more credibility to the book of Enoch.

He continues with:

 Enoch chapter 1:9

  1. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgment upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

He argues: “There is no Biblical record of a “Book of Enoch.”  There is NO doubt that Enoch made these statements as Jude 1:14 confirms; but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he authored the entire Book of Enoch (or ANY of it for that matter).  It’s a question of who copied who? ”

My response: That’s a weak argument, because if Jude was quoting from Enoch who lived 4000 years before him, we can safely assume that he quoted from text.

We can safely assume this, because Peter also refers from Enoch on 2 Peter 2:4 which reads:

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude chapter 6 also makes references to the imprisonment of these fallen angels in chains of darkness, reserved for judgment day.

All these are references to Enoch, which tells us the same thing, about these particular fallen angels which were bound in chains of darkness for their sin and were reserved for judgment.

 We also know from the bible that 1/3 of Satan’s angel were cast into the earth, not into chains of darkness in hell. So the bible itself tells us about 2 distinct & separate groups of fallen angels. Those who sinned with women; and those who fell with Satan during his rebellion.

So are we led to believe that Jude & Peter are quoting from nonexistence sources?

Then, they argue that is a matter of who copy who. Let’s see, Jude quotes Enoch, but they want us to believe that someone who claimed to be Enoch wrote a book after Jude, to confirm what Jude wrote?

Not to mention that the book of Enoch has been dated to prior the days of the Old Testament, so how can one from the past copy one from the future, unless they believe in time machines before believing what Enoch wrote.

They go on with:

Enoch chapter 7:12-15

Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

He argues: A “cubit” is 1.5 feet.  The ark which Noah built was 300 cubits long (Genesis 6:15).  Do you mean to tell me that some women had children who were as tall as the ark was long?

My response: We need to understand that women were giving birth to what appeared to be normal children, but because of the mutation in their DNA, these children grew up to be of enormous status.

(Keep also in mind that the cubit measurement pre-flood and post flood has also changed) – Nevertheless, these were enormous gigantic creatures.

Having said that, we need to understand that God is bigger than the universe in which he created, so it makes perfectly sense that his original sons, (these angels) were of enormous height as well.

The bible tells us that these angels can take any form including the form of a man. So I would not be surprised if they appeared as regular men to the women they co-mingled themselves with, and end up having giants as offspring, because that’s part of their DNA.

How these angels appeared to be, does not have anything to do with their DNA markings; thus they passed their gigantic status to their offsprings.

So if Enoch tells us that these giants were 450 feet in height that would definitely qualify it to be called a giant. 9-12 feet tall is just that, tall.

 So it’s very possible that during the pre-flood era God had to destroy everything contaminated with these giants in order to preserve not only the earth, but mankind.

Now, having hybrids of 450 feet in height can definitely explain the ancient pyramids, which one block alone has an average weight of 2.5 tons.

A few individuals of this status wouldn’t have had any problems building something like the pyramids, Stonehenge, the Great Wall of China, or any of the gigantic statues found in eastern island. Now, since the bible tell us that there were giants also after the flood, we need to ask ourselves why in the book of Joshua, the people described themselves as grasshoppers in comparison to the giants?

If these giants would have been as tall as Enoch described them to be, I would say that, that would definitely make a normal human look like a grass hopper in comparison.

 I will also like to add, that Enoch mentions these giants sinning against the animals. We know in the bible that God ordered everything after its own kind, but in the book of Enoch we learn something that men is currently doing in our time, which is the splicing of different species.

Since Enoch explains that these giants were doing these things back then; that could definitely explain the existence of the dinosaurs which were also gigantic creatures.

The bible tells us that God had to destroy even the animals, but we also see that he preserved certain animals. I then submit that God only preserved his creation, & killed the dinosaurs with the flood as science now confirms.

Jesus then warns us that conditions prior to his return will resemble to those during Noah’s times. We can see that with the age of DNA manipulation & secret underground DNA black projects, Jesus assumed that we would know the things spoken in the book of Enoch, in order to discern the times.

The writer of Jesussaves.com who wrote the anti Enoch article also states that a horse cannot interbreed with a fish. That’s an excellent observation! However, men knowledgeable in DNA splicing can interbreed them, creating monsters.

This same knowledge, the fallen angels had in order to mingle themselves with the seed of men. The knowledge was then passed to their offspring the giants, and they continue their wickedness interbreeding animals, resulting in what we came to know as mythological creatures.

 If we are led to believe as the writer of jesussaves.com want us to believe, that would leave us with more questions than answers. But if we applied the bible with what Enoch tells us, then that answers a lot of question concerning things that the world just classifies as mysteries or mythology.

Usually the people who are anti Enoch, they all happened to belong to a 501c3 church organization, which are nothing more than corporations of the government, meaning “state controlled churches” & this is where they get their limited knowledge from.

State controlled churches have a government agenda, and they want to control what you believe & what they don’t want you to believe.

Although a lot of state churches speak a lot of truth, we need to understand that poison is composed of 99% nutritional value and just 1% toxic. We all know that the 1% is the one responsible for doing the killing found in the poison.

That’s why Jesus said that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

This is why I don’t trust 501c3 state churches who sold the flock of Jesus in exchange of tax write offs, & who also trade it the headship of Jesus, for that of the state.

I am saying this because #1 is the truth, and because I see a lot of people who go by whatever these 501c3 pastors say, and they pass it as truth.

The bible tells us that it would be the Holy Spirit who will guide us & teach us all things. If we let 501c3 government agents teach us instead, they will lead us astray.

Either on purpose, or out of ignorance, but astray we will go nevertheless if we listen to these people who have sold out for a few bucks in their income tax return.

Having said all that, some may argue. If God wanted the book of Enoch in the bible it would have been in the bible.

The fact is that it used to be part of the bible and God did use wicked evil people to remove it from it, doing his will & fulfilling prophesy, because after all Enoch prophesied that the book was intended for a future, far, & distant generation. So God himself hid the book until the appointed time. We can see God doing the same thing in the book of Daniel, when he asks Daniel through an angel to seal certain things until the time of the end. Daniel 12:9

This is my defense for the Book of Enoch and everything around us makes more sense with it, than without it because it fills the gaps that the bible leave us with.

It’s like a piece of a puzzle was taken out from the bible, and when you put it back, suddenly it all makes sense.

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