Saturnalia: The Real Roots of Christmas

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Many Christians today believe that Christmas is a Christian holiday. The fact is that people have been celebrating Christmas, long before the birth of Christ. The festivity was known then, as Saturnalia. Saturnalia was a festival in which the Romans commemorated the dedication of the temple of the god Saturn. As winter approached, they were losing harvest & were in need of the sun in order for their harvest to grow & bear fruit.  Saturn was the Roman god of agriculture and harvest.

This meant that the god Saturn was in need of the sun god in order to complete his job, therefore the attention was then shifted to the sun god. The Saturnalia custom is rooted in pagan & Celtic believes & traditions. They believed in human sacrifice including the sacrifice of small children & infants in which were offered to their gods in order to empower the sun to return with strength. They believed that winter was due to the sun losing its power due to a battle between the sun god & the god of the dead.  Since winter is annually, they believed these battles were fought annually and thus the sacrifices had to be annually in order to appease or empower their respective gods.  Because the sun always return at the beginning of the new year, they believed that its was due to all of their human sacrifices,  and costum rituals that took effect; empowering their sun god to return each year victoriously.

The Roman pagans introduced into their law December 17-25 as Saturnalia. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the week long celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering the innocent man or woman who they chose to represent “the forces of darkness”.
In the 4th century The Roman Catholic Church adopted the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Chatolic leaders succeeded in converting to “Christianity” large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate their Saturnalia as “Christmas”.Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.

The problem was that there was nothing in relation to Christianity concerning Saturnalia. To remedy this, these so called Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th to be Jesus’ birthday.

As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the poor places in Rome were forced to wear clown type of clothing and march through the city streets to the mocking of the crowd, heavely rained by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation. On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers were disable or disfigured, and many Jewish women were raped.  Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.  Some foundation for a holyday they like to call “Christian”.

Today, the same formula its being used when it comes to repackaging pagan practices and doctrines by just renaming them and giving them a “Christian” name.  For instance, Rock & Roll music; So called Christian leaders believe a worldly or pagan person can join a Christian church with out having to leave their worldly Rock & Roll behind, because they can find Rock & Roll in the church too, “Christian Rock & Roll” that is! This is now offered by so called Christian churches today, supposedly to attract and convert the worldly.

The list goes on and on, from Rock, to “Christian Rock”, to Yoga, to “Christian Yoga”, to porn, to “Christian porn”; That’s right… They now even have porn with the name “Christian” before it. These are a few of many traps laid to the undiscerning, designed to lead him into the wrong path, the one that does not lead to heaven, but to death & destruction.

Although this is a different story, the method in which Satan operates, is exactly the same. The Roman Catholic church then, was not concerned with people’s souls, but rather with their contributions to their church. Today, nothing has changed!

The fact is that the bible (The Word of God) is our ultimate measurement authority in which all things should be measured by. With that said, let’s examine the origins of Christmas and lets use the bible as the final authority on this matter as it should be in all matters.  After its all said and done, I want you to ask yourself if you as a Christian, should be celebrating “Christmas”.

Also, keep in mind that once a truth is revealed to you, ignorance cannot be used as an excused to continue in a sinful practice, because God will judge us in accordance to the knowledge we have received.  Prove of this can be found on John 9:40- 41: “And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them,

If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth”.In other words, the Pharisees claimed to have knowledge and understanding of the things of God. This would have made them to be spiritually able to see. Therefore, because they claimed to see which is the same as, to know or understand, they remained in their sins by simply knowing and yet ignoring the Word of God.

Also keep in mind Hosea 4:6: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

The Origins of Christmas Customs:
A. Christmas Trees
Just as early Christians recruited Roman pagans by associating Christmas with the Saturnalia, so too worshippers of the Asheira cult and its offshoots were recruited by the Church sanctioning “Christmas Trees Pagans had long worshipped trees in the forest, or brought them into their homes and decorated them, and this observance was adopted and painted with a Christian veneer by the Catholic Church.  Jerimiah 10:3 says: “For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not”

B. Mistletoe
Norse mythology recounts how the god Balder was killed using a mistletoe arrow by his rival god Hoder while fighting for the female Nanna. Druid rituals use mistletoe to poison their human sacrificial victim. The Christian custom of “kissing under the mistletoe” is a later synthesis of the sexual license of Saturnalia with the Druidic sacrificial cult.

C. Christmas Presents

In pre-Christian Rome, the emperors compelled their most despised citizens to bring offerings and gifts during the Saturnalia (in December) and Kalends (in January). Later, this ritual expanded to include gift-giving among the general populace.  The Catholic Church gave this custom a Christian flavor by re-rooting it in the supposed gift-giving of Saint Nicholas (see below).

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Nicholas was born in Parara, Turkey in 270 CE and later became Bishop of Myra. He died in 345 CE on December 6th. He was only named a saint in the 19th century. Most of Cristmas is celebrated after him for his contribution in marrying Saturnalia with the Catholic ”Christ mass”.
…What fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?… (2 Corinthians 6:14 KJV)

“A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit”          Matthew 7:18

And now you know the root of Christmas and whether it should be celebrated by bible believing Christians or not. You decide to follow God or not.

Conclusion:

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Joshua 24:15  (KJV)

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38 Responses to “Saturnalia: The Real Roots of Christmas”

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  2. kaybjay129 Says:

    I argued with people about celebrating Christmas! I argued with people about keeping Christ in Christmas! After researching this, I realize He never was in it to begin with! I am blown away by this information! I thought I was celebrating the birth of a Savior! Instead, I was helping the enemy to spread paganism! No wonder I never have any $$ for gifts at that time of year!

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  4. Tracy Songbird Ruffin Says:

    Thank you for having the fortitude to speak the truth and provide biblical references to support your findings. I just shared your article on Facebook and have no doubt that I will have less friends because of it. I stopped celebrating Christmas as a young mother because I did not see Christ in the holiday. I guess it is always good to follow your first instincts.

  5. Perry W Wade Mustafa Says:

    Yes i know. its been done by the babylonians too.. Nimrod birthday is Dec, 25 and Tammuz was born Dec. 25. Really the ancient cultures personified the cosmos with human,animal,and earthly attributes. Christmas is really about the Sun lowest progression of sunlight in relation to the north hemisphere on earth.. on Dec 22 – 24 the sunlight is at its lowest amount .becuz it appears that the Sun has not moved in its position and is located by a celestrial body that look like a cross, the sun has died on the cross. On December 25 the Sun moves up 1 degree and this the birth of a new Sun and ressurection from death.. So in truth its about the processes of our solar system and how it affect us human on earth.. Kheper!!!!

  6. Mrs. Clean Says:

    Spoilsport! Once you know the true meaning of Christmas you can never go back. But hey, I’ve saved hours by not putting up a tree not feeling the pressure to buy gifts is fabulous. Why not give gifts throughout the year when the heart yearns to do so?

    We don’t need no stinkin’ Christmas.

  7. Jeannie Sapp Johnston Says:

    Amen brother! God brought this Truth to my husband a couple of years ago and we no longer celebrate Christmas. We too have attempted to share the info with other Believers and have been met with rejection. Sigh! I guess it is a sign of the times and I pray they too will come to realize we must not love anything above Jesus. If we can’t give up a simple tradition for Him, it makes you wonder if we really belong to Him. <3 Peace!

    • david1057 Says:

      That’s a good point that many professing Christians don’t bother to ask themselves. I don’t know about others, but I feel great to be free of the bond of having to be stressed out and out of money just to keep up with an ungodly tradition, which happens to be the highest rank of holiday in witchcraft and satanism.
      Jesus in facts sets us free!

  8. Stephen Sponsler (@chaser27) Says:

    Christmas will be about whatever is in one’s heart, mind, soul, and strength. It can be a ‘tradition of men’ or a recognition of personally being born again from above. Not recognize that unto us a child is born, a Savior is given who is Christ the Lord? No one knows the exact day of His Birth anyway. Do we suggest not helping the poor and the homeless on the day the rest of the world is out there having a good time and they suffer miserably? It’s not the day that is the issue, it’s what one makes of it. What’s next, I should not be happy on more fleshy day of birth since that was the day I entered a sinful world, born to be a sinner?

    • david1057 Says:

      I’m not sure whether you are a christian or not, and if you’re not, then this Holiday is definitely for you.
      But if you call yourself a christian, then ask yourself what part of James 4:4 “friendship of the world is enmity with god”, you don’t understand?

      Or what part of do not have any fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, (but rather reproof them) you don’t understand?

      You seem to be justifying ungodly practices and traditions, rather than reproving them as I am doing.
      To compromise is to settle the differences between the godly and the ungodly. The bible asks in 2 Corinthians 6:14
      what fellowship has light with darkness? And the answer of course is none!

  9. Doris Pelger Says:

    There are as many real Christians as there are real Muslims, real Buddhists or anything else real in the religious sense of the word,

    Look at the catholic church with child abuse and inquisitions for hundreds of years.

    Buddhists with their golden temples and gold plated Buddhas – people living in misery next door and sell their daughters into prostitution.

    Muslims taking the inner fight to overcome lower carnal instincts outside and into the streets of their own people and blow them up.

    “Religion ist Opium fürs Volk ”
    Karl Marx

    Which means Religious is Opium for the people.
    Meaning it clouds the perception – actions are nonrational and thoughts are infiltrated by fear or hope for reward for a certain action or behavior.

    The Celts celebrated the 24th as the return of the light, because in the Northern hemisphere the days get longer from that date on and the darkness will be conquered finally by the light.

  10. jbert73 Says:

    I am so convicted and heart broken by this. I always knew that christmas was not Jesus’ birthday, but I always thought that if I was honoring the birth of Jesus in my heart that it was ok. I don’t think it’s ok. I am going to have to put some serious prayer time in about this. My predicament is that my husband and all of my family are not born again believers. If I start shouting from the rooftops that christmas is satanic I don’t know what type of reaction I am going to get. It does sound like I am fearing man rather than God, but my main concern my whole christian life is to lead my family to Christ. Will me outing christmas lead my family to the knowledge of Christ? I don’t know…I am going to pray, pray, and pray some more. Will you please pray for me to gain wisdom from the Lord about this situation? I believe this article to be true and my deepest desire is to do the right thing and to please the Lord. Thank you <3

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  12. Sandra Rumbolt Says:

    The traditions of Saturnalia in today’s world do not exist. There are a lot of people who doesn’t know the history. We Christians choose to take a pagan holiday and turn it into a Holy Day. Does this not make us Christian? We do not follow the customs or traditions of Saturnalia. If we celebrated Christmas on any other day, that would be fine? I feel as not only a christian but a faithful practicing christian that if the Lord did not want me to celebrate his birth on this day he would relay it to me. To take something that came from Satan and turn into something that comes from God has to be good and i’m sure Satan hates that we have stolen some of his power. Which is why so many people feel overwhelmed and stressed on Christmas but if they allow Satan to operate like that than they have lost what makes Christmas Holy…Christ. Satan for years has possessed people in leadership to remove Christ from Christmas and that is sad, As for me I celebrate the Birth, not the pagan holiday or Santa Clause but the birth of Christ how gave his life to take away our sins.

    • david1057 Says:

      Little do you know that they do exist and continue to be celebrated in the occult today, while you paralleling celebrate their “holiday” with a Christian flavor which is UnBiblical.
      Show me in the Scriptures where it says a bad tree produces good fruit and I show you where it says otherwise!

      Now, you don’t need to justify “Christmas” with me nor with anyone else. If you want to continue celebrating things that are not of God, nor from His origins, that’s between you & God.

    • paragatejjo Says:

      Sandra – Christians did not choose to make Saturnalia about Jesus. Rome decided to incorporate Jesus into their holiday in an attempt to gain control over the growing Christian movement of the day. By continuing to celebrate the birth of the savior during winter solstice we are basically agreeing that all the past events associated with the same are okay.

      You stated, “I feel as not only a christian but a faithful practicing christian that if the Lord did not want me to celebrate his birth on this day he would relay it to me.” — God speaks to us through his people so perhaps He is giving you this information now. When I first heard about this I had the same reaction as you. I had celebrated Christmas all my life and didn’t want to think I had done anything displeasing to God. But that was pride. I prayed about it and searched the Word and was given confirmation.

      We are told to separate ourselves from the world and to not be a part of it. That the world will hate us for Him. I can’t tell you the back lash my husband and I have received simply because we choose not to participate. I mean, name calling by “Christians.” Yep – they hate us for trying to honor God in a way we feel He has shown us.

      In the old testament people were literally worshipping trees and God became agry and told them to stop doing it. That should give us a hint about how He feels with decorating a tree in our home. Also, there isn’t a place in scripture where we are told to celebrate the birth of Christ. We ARE told to observe the passover and to remember Him in the process.

      Ultimately, you can do whatever you like and it’s between you and God. I would encourage you to pray about it and seek answers in the Word. Peace be with you!

  13. Mara Clemente Says:

    goes to prove the flaws of Christian Church as a whole and moreover the Vatican

  14. Carolyn Ferguson Lovelace Says:

    I Consider celebrating Christmas, Easter, Halloween, Valentines’ day, etc. to be the “sin of Jeraboam”. God established 7 Appointed Times – festivals – I don’t do any others that aren’t Biblical. We don’t get to make our own festivals and call them “Christian” and the fact that they are of pagan origin makes it worse – like mocking God, or spitting in His face. The same goes for making up our own traditions of worship, when God has already told us when and how He is to be worshipped. We are so arrogant, usurping God’s authority. Is there no fear of God even among Christians?

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  16. Mary-Esther Gordillo Johnson Says:

    This is wonderful information and something all who believe in Christ should read. I actually had heard of this already, from different(pagan) religions celebrating their traditions. I searched it out and I was so disappointed with the Church for not having told me the truth! I no longer celebrate Christmas or Easter, only the Biblical holidays and they’re a wonderful blessing!

  17. Gabriel GdmFitness Martinez Says:

    We dont need no damn christmas

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  19. Rachel Traore Says:

    Where do I start? it is December 19, 2013 and today I was on the bus to work and I took my bible and prayed before starting to read it and proceeded to put on the light on the bus but it was not working ( I thought here is the Devil trying to prevent me from reading my bible)so I decided to use my phone to listen to a sermon or some gospel. Yesterday I googled origin of Christmas but never had time to read anything so I though about that and started reading this page and others and I can tell you that I am blown away, the truth is in front of us and in the bible but we cling to traditions and beliefs.I think it is very true that Christmas is an invention.I am lucky enough that my husband think the same way so we need to find ways in which to raise our kids with truths and not lies about Christmas.Our kids go a catholic school so I’m really worried.Other people that have done this and gone against the “system” please help on how we can achieve this.This is a big one!!! I can see family members saying we are crazy and thinking we are part of a cult or something when we have been going to the same church for years. I refuse to be fed lies when I know better now and .I do not want on Judgement day to have conformed to society, men and not God.

    keep sharing truths about the lies about God

  20. Stacy A Livingston Says:

    I am currently doing a in depth study on religion vrs relationship and thus it has led me to your page. Now I am not commenting to judge, criticize or even condemn -I do so to offer some of what I have learned & to learn from you as well. I agree with some of what your page says – & I am not saying I don’t agree with the rest- I am trying to get better understanding. Because you used a lot of the old testament verses to back up what you believe ( I know you didn’t just use old please let me finish ) it looked like you used more from the old then the new. That is what has prompted my comment because we are no longer under the law which actually has 613 thou shall nots including then 10 commandments. The old covenant is very useful and we need it because it teaches us patience, comfort & offers hope. It shows us God blesses the faithful. It shows us Gods goodness, his power. There is enormous amount of wisdom in the Old covenant. Without the law or old covenant we wouldn’t have know of what “sin” is. The old covenant cannot be understood without the new. BUT the old is been done away with- we are no longer under it- Colossians 2:14 “blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us , which contrary to us, and took it out of the way, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS.” For us to be seeking salvation or living by the old covenant would be sin as well. The new covenant is for ALL the world, all nations. Mathew 28:18-20 Mark 16:15-20 Acts 2:39 the old was nailed to the cross Mathew 5:17,18 Colossians 2:14 (which I wrote above) Ephesians 2:14-19 Hebrews 7:18.
    I agree that the TRUE meaning of Christmas has gotten LOST – however I don’t believe we as believers are NOT to acknowledge this day- truth is no one knows the actual day Christ was born- but we can take what was made for evil and turn it for good. I think we as believers -sitting back, watching and condemning others for celebrating Christmas is a sin in itself. AS a believer we can take this day and stand up and say this day will be acknowledge BUT as JESUS birthday NOT for the worlds version of it. and I have a lot of trouble understanding anyone still living by the old covenant because to me- your completely ignoring what Jesus DIED for.
    A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. That is the commandment in which we are to live by- so are we when we judge others and their celebrations ?? Or are we by not at least standing up and speaking of the birth of Christ. If the world chose 12-25 -so be it! We as Christians can use it for the real meaning — we cant sit back and judge and condemn especially we ourselves are not without sin. Sin is sin- no one greater than another. We don’t go to hell because we sin we go because we deny Jesus. So I ask you to consider my thoughts and I welcome anything you have to say to my comment and please understand I am in study and just revealing what was revealed to me. asklilmama.com

    • david1057 Says:

      Thanks for your comment.

      we know that we are not under the Law and none of the verses used in this article have anything to do with the Leviticus Law, but rather with righteousness. For example, God tells us in the Old Testament thou shall not kill. Old Testament or not, its a matter of righteousness not a matter of keeping the Leviticus Law which was made out of constant works and rituals that had to be done in the temple for the redeeming of sins.

      Having said that, let’s move on to the New Testament. Today, we don’t have to offer bulls, calves, and lambs each time we sin because we are not under the Leviticus Law which demanded these things to be done for the redeeming of our sins.

      We are now free from doing these works and we are in liberty of not having to do them thanks to the ultimate sacrifice found in Christ Jesus. However, being free from the Leviticus Law does not equal to liberty to sin as we wish. If we sin as we wish knowing that we will find forgiveness in Christ Jesus is like crucifying Jesus all over again.

      And I’m talking about willful sinning not sinning out of sinful human nature, but rather making conscious decisions to participate in the unfruitful works of darkness.

      we cannot take something bad and “make it good”, only God has the power to do that within situations not within ungodly rituals and traditions. instead we are told by Jesus in Scripture that a bad tree cannot bear good fruit and Vice versa.

      The Word “Christmas” it self has bad connotations.
      The Word is compose of Christ and mas as in Catholic “mass”.

      The word mass comes from the Latin word “misa” which is a “funeristic” word which means to dismiss as when a person dies and a mass service its done to “dismissed” the person who die.

      Saying merry Christmas = saying “happy death of Christ”. – The World is indeed happy that Christ died both physically and in their hearts. The world hates Jesus and thus would never celebrate his birth, nor live, nor resurrection. The only reason that Christians now participate in this abomination helliday its because the Roman Catholic Church “Christianized” it in order to capitalized from the Christians spiritually and monetary.

      I think we should concentrate more in the real Holly days that Jesus asked us to celebrate rather than celebrate the traditions of men. We cannot separate bitter from sweet when they are mixed into the same cup.

      Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils. 1 Corinthians 10:21.

      If we are asked to be separated from the world, then why would we celebrate what they celebrate when they celebrate it?
      Defenders of Christmas may say, oh no they might celebrate one thing, but I celebrate the birth of Christ.

      First of all Jesus never asked us to celebrate his birthday, but if some want to go ahead and celebrate it why does it have to be on an appointed day and time created and dictated by the enemy?

      (Remember how Jesus never heeded to Satan’s suggestions when he was tempted?)

      I would say, rebelled against the world system who is our enemy and celebrate nothing they ask you to celebrate, rather than rebelling against Jesus and celebrating things he never ask us to celebrate and participate in.

      I’m not saying we should not get together with loved ones, we should always do that, but we should not be caught up in the whole system of Christmas that has nothing to do with Christ.

      We cannot teach be holy and at the same time, tell God’s people its OK to get involved in the world’s traditions as long as your conscience permitted. That’s not what Paul meant with “let every one be persuaded in his own mind.” Do you know how many weak Christians out there would allow they conscience to do things contrary to the Word of God by justifying it in their own minds?

      Paul was talking to Christians who were esteeming days from the Old testament “godly days” not pagan days that was the legalism about it, days from the Law.

      Asking a fellow Christian to be holy and separated from the world its not “legalism” but Scriptural.

      If Paul actually meant that statement in general the way some it, then we cannot evangelize the world because they will deny Jesus saying that its not necessary to accept him for salvation and they will add “let every one be persuaded in his own mind.” And That would be the end of it right there.

      Let’s try to do what Jesus asked us to do and not what he did not asked us to do.

  21. Stacy A Livingston Says:

    If I am a spirit filled born again Christian so God lives in me. I am nothing without him and can do nothing without him. And I agree 100% on the worlds version of Christmas – it has gotten out of control. However turning something evil into good- yes that is something God does–THRU US as believers. We are not to judge anyone because NO ONE is without sin- NO ONE. I know we cant live how we want and sin and ask forgiveness – we are to strive to be as Christ like as possible and the commandment that we are to live by is “to love one another as I have loved you” if we all concentrated on that verse alone- the world would be a better place. We are saved by Grace not works. We can spend all day long -you & I about this scripture or that scripture kind of like the game battleship- or I personally had rather play operation and do my best to “love one another as He loved us” we did nothing to deserve his love and we are to love those that don’t deserve it just like we don’t deserve what Jesus did. I don’t mean we are to part take in the “worlds traditions” but instead of judging them and condemning them we could try and take what is evil and turn it for good– and God can do so thru HIS PEOPLE. Thank you for your comment I am learning much funny thing about each study I do it always comes back to John 3:16 and John 13:34 …. I think we all spend to much on the negative instead of the positive. I can give you scripture of what I think is wrong and you can do the same with me- like I said we can do that all day long— I am not trying to convince anyone else and their beliefs I am just commenting for better understanding and because I was led to. thanks again for you reply.

    • david1057 Says:

      It is the bible who judges sin, not me since I’m pointing to what the scriptures say. And how can you say Christmas has now gotten out of control when it began as an orgy of crime to the god Saturn and supposedly also (according to you) its now a “good holiday”?

      According to the way you sound, I believe you to be an ecumenical one world church, broad its the way type of Christian.

      “We need to focus on the positive” Sounds like the Pope & new age theology..
      If we focus on the positive, we will never get to fixed the negative and all the messed up aspects of our lives.

      (Hypothetically speaking)
      Try applying that to a doctor who just found a sickness on you who needs to focus on it in order to heal it; and try telling him to focus instead on the rest of the body parts that are not sick. I can assure you he will label you mentally unstable and would perhaps attribute that to the same sickness he just found.

      Jesus said:
      They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
      (Mark 2:17 KJV)

      Calling out people to repentance its not “judging” its what Jesus did, his apostles, the early Church, and what we should be doing as followers of Jesus.

      If you have other plans, that’s your prerogative, but don’t justify the wicked with the Holy, say its OK. Also, know this; that the whole world its spirit filled.

      We just need to know the Scriptures in order to test the spirits to see if they are from God. (1 John 4:1 KJV)

      Many are not, for if they were, the world would have already been a better place; and we’re going from bad to worse.

  22. Stacy A Livingston Says:

    Ps where are you from if you don’t mind me asking? I asked because my reply said I replied at 6:02 PM and it was 12 noon when I commented. so I was just curious.

  23. Stacy A Livingston Says:

    Like I stated in a previous comment we can do this “battleship” with scripture all day long. I am not commenting to do that but to get better understanding and if you are using ( & you did) old scripture from the bible to point out sin – you are in fact in sin yourself. I also stated earlier that I learned a few things from your page like the orgies and other such things, however in my 42 years on this earth I have never witnessed such. I never said it was a “good” holiday – you keep putting words in my mouth I simply said anything that is meant for harm can be and God will use for our good. I was referring to it being out of control by trying to take Christ out of it-now I know thanks to your page He was never in it to begin with. You will not fix anything if all you are doing is pointing out where EVERYONE ELSE is messing up- We should all work on our own lives and if we did that we would not have time to point out what is wrong in everyone else. No one is without sin- NO ONE. I do not do “hypothetically” I do facts. We are to be Christ like we are not Jesus. “my prerogative was to try and learn something but this will be my last comment. I have in no way justified anything wicked – again putting words in my mouth. God is in control – I know that – I also know everything that is happening is supposed to. We are to “love one another as He loved us” You yourself said ” I am not saying you don’t spend time with family you should” so obviously you acknowledge this day somehow. The way to reach others is thru love NOT pointing out where they are screwed up. I am well aware I am still learning and will till my time is up – Jesus cares more about how we are treating each other more than anything else. I am a fellow believer and you tell me “its my prerogative” which tells me you could care less about me having better understanding and I am a fellow believer – is that what Jesus would do? Oh as far as the word “church” I guess that depends on your definition — BUT the original bible the word church was not even in it- it actually means “Call out” or ” called out ones” I am a non denominational Child of God still in training, so thank you for your “input” and again sorry to have bothered you I will comment no more.

    • david1057 Says:

      And like I stated before, sin is sin whether be in the Old testament or New Testament. Also like I previously stated before, I’m not talking about sin from the Leviticus Law but about sins of unrighteousness. Sins of the Leviticus Laws consist of eating pork and other unclean animals, not keeping the sabbath, etc. Those are from the OT Law. Now sins of unrighteousness are killing, lying, disobedience to God, etc. Those sins are from the Law that God has written in our hearts not to do.
      You can justify your sins all you want with me, but since your theology is new age in doctrine, it will not stand before a Holy perfect, righteous God.

      • Christopher Escobedo Says:

        the Puritians outlawed Christmas back in America. The only thing you can do was a church service. recently 119 ministries felt they had to remaster their video “Sunburned” to remove commentary they used from Charles Spurgeon when they discover he held church services. bear in mind these folks hated the pagan trappings. the question is wrong to have a church service on the date itself? can any worship to the Savior is even allowed!

  24. Stacy A Livingston Says:

    Mathew 5:30, Mathew 18:8 , Mathew 5:28 , Mathew 5:48 Mathew 19:21 have you kept all of these scriptures? has your hand ever sinned? has your feet ever led to sin? have your eyes ever looked at another woman and you had impure thoughts (don’t know a man alive that can do that one) Have you sold everything you own? I am not in no way justifying anything – I am giving you scripture how is that new age doctrine it is in the Bible! You need to read Romans Starting in chapter 2 all the way to chapter 6. I tried upload pictures of it all but it wont let me. As a fellow believer I had to comment one last time, because as you say it is the bible pointing these things out. I know without a doubt I am going to Heaven – you just might be my neighbor so shouldn’t we all try and get along while here – we mind as well because we will have eternity together. The only sin that is not forgivable is the blaspheme of the Holy Ghost – anything else is forgivable IF they truly repent and God and only God knows the heart of each and every believer. I was trying to gain understanding and all you have done is put me down, put words in my mouth and tell me whatever its my “prerogative” — That does not at all sound like what Jesus would do. I have no hard feelings nor ill will I just wanted to clarify my words because you keep saying things I didn’t say. I apologize if I have offended you or said anything that you don’t agree with- all I have said is in the bible. I will continue on my study and pray for revelation for us both. Thank you again for you time and God Bless!

    • david1057 Says:

      When we sin we must repent from that sin, turn our backs to those things that displeases God and turn towards God. That’s true repentance.

      Does that mean that because God forgives our sins we must therefore willingly sin against Him to then telling him I’m sorry and consider our sorrow’s as repentance to receive forgiveness?

      Having a sinful nature should be no excused to willingly sin or partake in the unfruitful works of darkness. There’s such thing as sinning out of imperfection due to the fall of man and thus this sinful nature becoming a stumbling block with our walk with Christ.

      However, if you cannot tell the difference between sinning because a bad thought entered your mind, a bad word slipped out of your mouth, or because you fell into temptation, Vs willingly and consciously making decisions that displeases God, then you need to examine yourself.
      Jesus came to save us from our sins (When we repent from them) not to save us with our sins and have no repentance.

      Believe now or regret it for an eternity.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NEW TESTAMENT BY THE WAY)

      King James Version (KJV)

      9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

      10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

      Does this sound like a God who allows unrepentant people into his Kingdom?

  25. Samuel Gonzales Says:

    I will be doing a bible study on this topic later this week. As important as this topic is, i cant help to wonder what christ himself would say if i asked “lord what do you say we should do about this tradition?” And i imagine his response would be against it. I also cant help but to wonder what else he would say. Maybe something about if ive loved my neighbors as ive loved myself.

  26. thematrixq Says:

    Reblogged this on ?verything!.

  27. david1057 Says:

    Thanks, I don’t mind people using my information as long as the truth is being spread.

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